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Can someone sum up briefly what the deal is with Ron Paul?

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Quote: Mark Lowton

Can someone sum up briefly what the deal is with Ron Paul?

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Cal-el is the Ron Paul champion, but briefly, Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN candidate (sort of) for president who seems to be a 'RINO', i.e., 'Republican In Name Only', and who is saying and promoting issues that old style (pre-Neocon) Republicans like to hear - along with many independents and Democrats.

As an independent, I really like what he is saying myself most of the time.

The Republican establishment today is in total disarray in the US and they seem to be on the edge of panic over the upcoming 2008 elections. Many of them are running for cover and trying for distance from George W. Bush That can happen when you allow a so-called 'leader' to trainwreck your party.

Capisce?

Gnarly

PS: And roughly 70% of the people in the US are happy to see this particular trainwreck on the horizon!

Actually, I think the number that want a train wreck is less than 70%.

I honestly think that we need a strong two party system. When one party dominates the white house and both houses of congress, and the supreme court, there is no balance of power.

If one chamber is republican, the other is democratic, the white house is one, and the court is the other, it is great! Bipartisanship is required and things actually get done!

When one party forces their agenda on the people, we get the Bush administration. At least he lost the congress and so has not been able to run amock as much this term.

As far as the Republicans, they are not really running anyone decent. If they are lucky enough to win this election, it will only be because the dems lose it (by running someone like Hillary or Obama, people that most Americans will vote against).

Brief Overview of Congressman Paul's Record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

Yes, my grandson and I are the only two people in America supporting Ron Paul. We are responsible for all the spam you see on the Internets. Ron Paul's 2 Spammers Show Up In Iowa

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Quote: Jalapenoman

Actually, I think the number that want a train wreck is less than 70%.

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Please note I wrote 'this particular trainwreck' - meaning 70% are desparate to get rid of THIS PARTICULAR IDIOT - and I stand by that. That's what the polls confirm over and over. Anything else is wishful conjecture.

Gnarly

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war

Unfortunatly, these are the very reasons he'll never be a serious contender.

His views on gun control are, use two hands.

He also believes the government is suppose to protect the privacy of it's citizens as opposted to it's own dirty secrets

He also believes in the original constitution.

Ron Paul wants America to be the great nation it once was, that stands in the way of the status quo so he's gotta go.

He doesn't stand a chance because of these views.


BEF
vagina

Ron PAul ran as a Libertarian in the past, but the Libertarian Party doesn't get much recognition. The media is currently blocking him. He's been blackballed by them, but he's working on legal action to solve that. His support is much larger than they show on the television or news sites.

Love, Hope, Peace, & Christ Be With You,

Cal-el

He has a great name for a porn star.

Does that help?

Fergus.

I saw some TV debate thing (through one of Cal's YouTube thingies), where Ron was talking about 9/11 and he said something about the terrorists motivation for 9/11 may have been something to do with the US's involvement in the Middle East. I can't remember exactly what his comments were, but I thought they made some sense.

Rudy was there and he was all like "I can't believe what I'm hearing." But it wasn't as if Ron had suggested they were right to do what they did, he was just questioning what their motives may have been.

I kinda got the impression that all the hoo-hah about him stemmed from that comment. And that the political guys were trying to slam him for suggesting it, while the real people thought he made a good point and it was unfair for him to be criticised for that.

Is that right, or is this just an isolated incident?

That's right, Mark, and they are now trying to exclude him from the South Carolina debates. His fans were even censored at a Marlins baseball game in Florida. They didn't want them holding up a sign about Ron Paul. They are desperate to keep him out of the news. Unbelievable Censorship of Ron Paul

It's sad that those in power have gone to such extremes to keep legitimate candidates from being heard. America... the free?

Love, Hope, Peace, & Christ Be With You,

Cal-el

If I could, I'd vote for him

Paul is outside of the circle of jerks so the circle jerks won't let him in on their circle jerk.

If someone in American politics makes any sence they immediatly put them out because they, long ago, forgot how to think about the public interest and are only obsessed with self interest.

BEF
vagina

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Quote: Mark Lowton

If I could, I'd vote for him

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We'll let you. Bush seems to get votes from out of thin air, so why not a vote from a real person? lol

Love, Hope, Peace, & Christ Be With You,

Cal-el

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Quote: Buck E Filbert

Paul is outside of the circle of jerks so the circle jerks won't let him in on their circle jerk.

BEF
vagina

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Ron Paul vs The Borg

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Ron Paul's 2 Spammers Show Up In Iowa

Television seems to have forgotten that there are other ways to get the word out.

BTW, have you ever read or seen 1984?

Love, Hope, Peace, & Christ Be With You,

Cal-el

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Quote: Mark Lowton

If I could, I'd vote for him

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If you-ins was willing to be a colony or protectorate, we could probably work out something. Then Carina-eta could visit Niagara Falls without a passport.

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Quote: Jean Le Fete

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Quote: Mark Lowton

If I could, I'd vote for him

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If you-ins was willing to be a colony or protectorate, we could probably work out something. Then Carina-eta could visit Niagara Falls without a passport.

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Hale! That souns wunderful! Weuns will git rite on it.

Billy Bob

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Quote: Gnarly Erik
... Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN candidate (sort of) for president who seems to be a 'RINO', i.e., 'Republican In Name Only', and who is saying and promoting issues that old style (pre-Neocon) Republicans like to hear - along with many independents and Democrats.

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Ron Paul is not a RINO. I've been called that -- click here..

RINOs are generally pro-choice (see the third post on the above link) and more generally liberal - Paul is pro-life and not "liberal". He's libertarian, and just doesn't fit in the two-dimensional thinking of today's media world.

Turning to Mark's question, one thing a lot of people like about Paul is that he's open about his views and consistent on them, and has been consistent for at least 20 years. All the major Republican candidates have flip-flopped on something somewhere. Giuliani and Romney flip on abortion and gay rights. Thompson flips on campaign finance reform. McCain hated the religious right and then went and spoke at one of their shindigs. He hated Bush and now he backs him. ...

On the Dem side, Hillary was a big supporter of the Iraq war and now she's flipping more and more. Obama has never had a position. Edwards voted for the war and openly flipped, bashes the wealthy while owning a big chunk of an offshore hedge fund ...

And libertarians have been waiting a long time for someone decent to come along.