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The San Francisco Onion
Writer  Location: The produce section Registered: 14 Dec 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
When I was in 8th grade, I had a gym class teacher Mr. Erickson at White Mountain Junior High (Rock Springs, Wyoming) who used to make us do some really stupid shit. Like, for instance, when we spent a few weeks studying the art of wrestling. He had this one exercise where he would break us up into groups of 5 kids. 4 had to lay down on the floor parallel next to each other, and the 5th kid had to somersault across them, landing on his hands(hopefully not breaking his neck or landing on anybody) to barrel roll, lay down and join the group on the floor at the end for the next kid to stand up and attempt the maneuver. Needless to say, there were a few injuries in this class. Later that week, he stood us in two lines against opposite walls. There were no weight divisions - you squared off against whoever happened to be next in line on the other side. I paired off against Bill M. I weighed about 100 pounds at the time (a little over 45 kg); he was only a couple of months older than me, already had fuzzy black hair on his chest, and outweighed me by at least 50 pounds. I wasn't scared, though. I knew him from math and computer classes. We had written programs together. He was a highly intelligent kid, though a bit twisted according to most. I was surprised by the aggressiveness of his attack. It knocked the wind out of me as I slammed into the mat. Within a 2-3 seconds, he had my knees at my forehead as I could actually hear the pain in my bent neck and body. I was berely aware of Erickson's hand as it hit the mat, but a second later, sound quality began to return to normal as he released me. I looked as Erickson congratulated Bill, telling him, "Good job!! Good hustle out there, big guy!" clapping his hands together a couple of times. I was only offered a grin from across the room by my "buddy," which seemed malicious at the time, but I had no idea... Shortly after I moved to Texas in Spring '86, my friend Tana L. wrote me a letter informing me Bill had been riding in a car with 3 other kids, Jody D., Paul P., and some other kid I didn't know. He shot them. That's what it's like playing sports in the Wild, Wild West, out where the grasses still aren't European, and the antelope come eat out of your trash cans in the wintertime. Cheers, SFO |
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Jalapenoman
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The fact that you lived in the west had nothing to do with it. You just combined a sadistic coach (we all had them) and a disturbed student. My best friend growing up was named Doug. I used to play football in his front lawn with his all of his neighbors. A couple of years later, one of those same kids walked into a bar and shot and killed five people (before being hit over the back of his head with a pool cue). A few years later, I was in a club in high school with another kid. One night, he and his girlfriend killed his parents for no apparent reason. I think we've all known guys our age who turned out bad. I doubt it has anything to do with P.E. class. |
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The San Francisco Onion
Writer Location: The produce section Registered: 14 Dec 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
J-Man, This is what happens when rapid population growth hits an area with very light government regulation. Rock Springs, Wyoming, has been featured on 60 Minutes twice for its problems, and it's growing again. Don't just take my word for it. Here's what other people have to say: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/calpet-wy/TFI9C9HNVS53M6UGI This is the sort of place fags get murdered for being fags. One person (not me) said, "I used to live there twenty years ago. Didn't think it had changed." Football violence in Rock Springs? Better keep a knife under your pads... Or a gun. SFO P.S. My adopted dad ran for county sheriff here a few years back, and barely got more votes than a write-in candidate. Maybe there's hope for the place yet. |
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Monkey Woods
Dirty Ape  Location: Planet Earth Registered: 29 Dec 06 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
I once got battered at Hilton Park, Leigh whilst watching Hull FC in around 1979.
Me and my mate had wandered around the ground to the 'wrong end', although there seemed no threat of anything happening. We realised, all too late, that a group of around 9 or 10 blokes (we were about 15 or 16) had gathered along the top of some terracing near the corner flag. This one bloke pushed me down a slope at the back of the terracing, and the others came for a kick. Felt like crying. But that would have given them tremendous satisfaction, so I didn't. |
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Earl Grey
Writer  Location: Moscow Registered: 19 Jun 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
True. Although I did see one kid wearing a Utd shirt. I asked him why and he told me that a relative had bought it for him during a trip to England, but he really wanted a Barcelona shirt. But Moscow still has a big red square. And lots of tanks. Otherwise very similar to Salford. When it's raining, anyway. |
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Jaggedone
Banned |
Used to get it all the time JO
True. Although I did see one kid wearing a Utd shirt. I asked him why and he told me that a relative had bought it for him during a trip to England, but he really wanted a Barcelona shirt. But Moscow still has a big red square. And lots of tanks. Otherwise very similar to Salford. When it's raining, anyway. Several comebacks on our sleeping US colleagues and Earl: Hooligans as in beating the shit out of other hooligans and not sadistic school practices dished out to naughty pupils! In my day we had enough, six of the best with cane, hits over the knuckles with a relay batons and rulers, ears & hair pulled, gay R.E. looking at us whilst showering, and worst punishment of all, being excluded from "footy" practice!!! Earl, I visited Old Trafford during my hols and actually agree with you! Reason to stay away from there and just enjoy em on the telly! Also visited a Tesco supermarket outside of the Aston Villa ground, and fuck me, try and spot a white face, I thought I was in the Towers of Babylon!! This is suppose to be the UK!!! you mentioned foreigners wearing Utd shirts, go to the supermarkets in the suburbs and you'll find plenty of em there, fuck me, in fact 95% coloured or foreign! (wrote a spoof about it BTW, worth a laugh!) BTW I'm not a racist, but sometimes I think it's gone too fucking far!!!! As for your cryptic Moscow bit, how about this: Manchester offers snowy cold orrible (cockney!) winters |
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Jaggedone
Banned |
Several comebacks on our sleeping US colleagues and Earl: Hooligans as in beating the shit out of other hooligans and not sadistic school practices dished out to naughty pupils! In my day we had enough, six of the best with cane, hits over the knuckles with a relay batons and rulers, ears & hair pulled, gay R.E. looking at us whilst showering, and worst punishment of all, being excluded from "footy" practice!!! Earl, I visited Old Trafford during my hols and actually agree with you! Reason to stay away from there and just enjoy em on the telly! Also visited a Tesco supermarket outside of the Aston Villa ground, and fuck me, try and spot a white face, I thought I was in the Towers of Babylon!! This is suppose to be the UK!!! you mentioned foreigners wearing Utd shirts, go to the supermarkets in the suburbs and you'll find plenty of em there, fuck me, in fact 95% coloured or foreign! (wrote a spoof about it BTW, worth a laugh!) BTW I'm not a racist, but sometimes I think it's gone too fucking far!!!! As for your cryptic Moscow bit, how about this: Manchester offers snowy cold orrible (cockney!) winters PS for the SFO: At heavy metal concerts they call what you described the "WALL OF DEATH" got caught up in one at a Slipknot concert, fucking hurt!!! |
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Jaggedone
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Gerry Francis and his QPR, long, long time ago! Saw Utd at QPR once or twice, a certain young super talent burst on the scene in one game what was his name, eerrr, Michael Robins or something! |
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Skoob1999
Caretaker  Location: Out on a limb Registered: 5 Sep 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
Manchester United v Queens Park Rangers
New Years Day. 1992 I was staying at my mum's in Burnley. No public transport. Asshole brother gave me a lift into Manchester to a family friend's place just off Oldham Road. From there got a lift down Chester Road. We got creamed. 4-1 Some stroppy 17 year old named Giggs started bollocking England Captain Bryan Robson for too many wayward passes. Wonder what happened to that kid? Freezing cold. Real brass monkey weather. Walked back into town alone. Through some pretty dark places. A homeless girl, about 18 yrs asked for spare change for food. She had a dog with her. We were outside a McDonald's. I bought her a Big Mac meal and left. Walked to Piccadilly station. Called friend. He picked me up and took me to his house. My brother came and drove me back to Burnley. Went up the local working men's club and didn't get why all these Burnley fans weren't taking the piss because we'd got flogged 4-1 at home. Just before last orders, a guy comes up to me and says: "We put a record on. Just for you. On the juke." It was "Who's Sorry Now?" by Fats Domino. And the fuckers all sang along with it. Especially for me. Bastards! No violence, but it was a day I'll never forget. Red Guards Skoob. |
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Earl Grey
Writer Location: Moscow Registered: 19 Jun 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
Fulham v Walsall 1998.
Walsall fan said something very unpleasant. We were both very angry about that. We complained about it all the way home on the bus! Fulham v Southampton 1999. Somebody said we were not very good! And he swore also. Tut. You see? Even at the small clubs there has been a history of hooliganism. Once even a policeman got involved. And the kid in the United shirt was in a small city just outside Moscow and he was wearing it because it was a present. None of the kids have heard of Fulham. None of the adults have either. Hooliganism Russian style? Spartak v CSKA or Dinamo is good. CSKA the army team, Dinamo the police team. Spartak the independent team. And serious rucks on the metro. But the police don't fuck about either. So it's all hit and run. |
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Jaggedone
Banned |
unfortunatly or fortunately (depending on where you come from i.e. Millwall) the eastern Europeans are leading the way in modern day footy hooliganism!
Polish, Russian, Czech, etc, Skinheads certainly are leading the European "bovver boot" leagues! Western Europeans have now gone pussy!! |
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Skoob1999
Caretaker Location: Out on a limb Registered: 5 Sep 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
Saw an amusing incident on the news. Northern Ireland v Poland Dumb Polish fan hits Northern Ireland fan on the head with a traffic cone! They're made of soft rubber! What was he thinking? Irish guy gives him the old left-right combo and the Pole is sparked. Flat down. Eastern Europeans my arse! They might be up for it, but they couldn't live with our mobs, not even these days. People here - the whole of the UK just seem to have a natural aptitude for it, and instinctively know how to react to situations. The silly sods fight in forests. What's all that about? In the World Cup in Germany/Austria there were ominous rumblings that Polish crews would turn up to get the English and the Germans. Didn't happen. Regards Skoob. |
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Jaggedone
Banned |
Skoob, you misunderstood my opinion, never in a million years would I underrate Brit hooligans! All I meant was that the Premier League teams have, mostly, all shed their Hooligan factors, reducing the publicity impact so hooliganism UK has mainly moved to the lower leagues and no-one apart from the UK gives a shit about them! The eastern hoolies are mostly extreme-right, nazi, skinhead groups, hence the publicity value of such groups is globally, far more interesting! Cardiff City, Leeds, Millwall, etc, still have their thugs and no Polski would want to mix it with them evil mother fuckers! I agree!!! JO |
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Earl Grey
Writer Location: Moscow Registered: 19 Jun 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
Polish, maybe. Don't know. But there are a large number of very nasty organizations in Eastern Europe who tag on to football. And they are rather worse than our legendary footie hooligans. Some Dinamo fans once beheaded a Spartak fan. Not gave him a slap. Took him to the woods and cut his head off. It was reported in graphic detail on the news. And I was in Bulgaria in the early 1990s and saw some really bad violence at Levski v CSKA. Settling old scores. Basically, this lot have many reasons to fight, but even if they didn't they still would. Who would win Millwall v Lokomotiv Moscow? My money would be on the nutters with the guns! Lokomotiv have been known to shoot at others. It's a different ball game. (Oh I just couldn't resist it!) |
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Jaggedone
Banned |
Shame on you!! Absolutely agree Earl, there are some wicked mother fuckers over there and not to be pussied with, undercover Nazis most of them! |
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Skoob1999
Caretaker Location: Out on a limb Registered: 5 Sep 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
Not saying they're not tough, but if trouble breaks out in a game (or after) involving a UK team, EVERYBODY pitches in.
Sticks together. In Eastern Europe they're just small firms. Even in Russia, when United played Chelsea in the CL Final in Moscow I never saw reports of Russian fans attacking United or Chelsea fans. Shit, over here, if it kicks off EVERYBODY has a go! Not just the hardcore. Regards Chaps Skoob. |
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Monkey Woods
Dirty Ape Location: Planet Earth Registered: 29 Dec 06 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
We once got drawn against Brighton in the FA Cup 3rd round, and it was away from home when they were still at the Goldstone Ground. We all piled onto the Hull City Supporters Official Coach because it was the only way we could get there. The battlebus had been fully booked-up.
It was January and there was snow on the ground. We lost 1-0 in a terrible game, and made our way back to the bus. As the driver was pulling away from the stadium, some kids ran up and launched a brick through a coach window about halfway down the bus. You could see them running away against the backdrop of white fields - a park or something. We couldn't be bothered to give chase, and, as we were sat in a group just behind the driver, we were unaffected by the wintery blast now coming in through the broken window all the way back to Hull. One of the lads, Nick, took his jacket and jumper off, and sat there in his T-shirt, commenting to those freezing at the back that he was "as warm as toast". |
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Earl Grey
Writer Location: Moscow Registered: 19 Jun 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
Strange, but they claim to be Communist Nazis. Fucked up or what?!
They are officially all Communists who celebrate Hitler's birthday. Hello! Lots of Russians died in the war. Every year on Hitler's birthday there is some really bad stuff going on in Russia. And most of it is by the extreme footie fans in Moscow. Right-this is supposed to be a humerous site. There were these two blokes who walked into a bar...... |
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Jaggedone
Banned |
Right-this is supposed to be a humerous site. There were these two blokes who walked into a bar......
one asked the other "how'd you park your Volkswagen in the bog?" other one answered, "swung a left at the bar!" (nevermind) |
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Earl Grey
Writer Location: Moscow Registered: 19 Jun 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
No, the Russian fans usually leave it to the militsia for matches like that one-but English behaved themselves which was a good idea. Small firms? They are big enough when needed. |
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Skoob1999
Caretaker Location: Out on a limb Registered: 5 Sep 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
At least we're back on football and not Quarterback Stats.
Regards Skoob. |
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Earl Grey
Writer Location: Moscow Registered: 19 Jun 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
Well, it isn't possible to talk about a bunch of pricks in padding poncing about. 'Evening America |
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Jaggedone
Banned |
Earl "True Brit" as British as a cuppa, just hoisting the Jack! |
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Skoob1999
Caretaker Location: Out on a limb Registered: 5 Sep 08 Forum Profile Writer's Profile |
Does Mrs JO know about this
 Skoob. |
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Jaggedone
Banned |
You fucking mob are on brilliant form tonight, luv it! Last time I rasied my Jack was that damn puncture on the mountain bike! |
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