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Why do some US states have the death penalty yet their laws are based on Christianity....

...as usual, answers on the back of a post card and send to an address of your choice.

That's easy Amos.

"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", that sort of thing.
That's what they believe.......... They could have a point.

Luv Ferglus.

Economics!

Costs in excess of $125K per year (US Justice figures) to house, feed, cloth and provide medical care to animals who long ago gave up any pretense to humanity.

That may not float your boat, Amos, but not many people in this country make that kind of money, so why should they have to spend it to keep killers and pedophiles, and rapists alive.

Fuck that. Barbaric? Certainly. Does executing killers et al prevent murder or pedophilia. It does for those who killers who are killed.

Now, am I personally in favor of capital punishment. Goddamned right I am. Am I enlightened? Probably not. Is there a good answer for your question? Not one that would suit you.

Hey, write a spoof about it, why not?

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Quote: Fergus McCarthy

That's easy Amos.

"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth", that sort of thing.
That's what they believe.......... They could have a point.

Luv Ferglus.

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Possibly so Flergust,

But if a 'nation' believes it so, it should be law in all states rather than disjointed policies.

Sorry Frank, I wasn't requesting your life story but........

for the richest country in the world, a question about cost seems a touch simplistic.

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Quote: amosmoran3000

For the richest country in the world, a question about cost seems a touch simplistic.

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Sarah Silverman or Ricky Gervais......

I Think capital punishment for the 100% guilty is great, and i dont know why it is not in all states of USA.

Any of you people read " In Cold Blood " .

regards PMC

No.

It's not economics. If it was economic they'd kill repeat offenders for traffic violations,

Do you really want careless whisper back at number one?????

It costs million more in the courts dealing with the appeals than it does to keep them alive.

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Quote: Pimpmycapitalist

I Think capital punishment for the 100% guilty is great, and i dont know why it is not in all states of USA.

Any of you people read " In Cold Blood " .

regards PMC

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The only book I've read is 'The turbulent term of Tyke Tyler'.... and the teacher had to narrate.

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Quote: Fergus McCarthy

No.

It's not economics. If it was economic they'd kill repeat offenders for traffic violations,

Do you really want careless whisper back at number one?????

It costs million more in the courts dealing with the appeals than it does to keep them alive.

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Feargal, maybe you have an idea. Traffic violators should face capital punishment. In the USA. Or US citizens in any country in the world. Or space.

My life story is shorter, by far. The central government of the US does not control the laws of the several states.

You pay for them.

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Quote: Frankie The J

My life story is shorter, by far. The central government of the US does not control the laws of the several states.

You pay for them.

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How can the central government be in control then? Is that the not the point of central government and democracy?

It all sounds like France to me. Except Yanks don't surrender at the first sight of the sun setting/moon rising.

Not too sure why I pay for them but please enlighten me.

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Quote: amosmoran3000

Why do some US states have the death penalty yet their laws are based on Christianity....

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"A chain is only as strong as its weakest link."

People are not perfect as individuals, so a representative democracy, being made up of these same individuals, will end up passing laws that are also not perfect and sometimes self-contradictory, because laws are, in essence, arbitrary lines drawn between right and wrong that represent a boundary deemed acceptable by the majority.

It costs a lot of money to keep an inmate for a year.
Millions of people live on less salary in the U.S.

But it also takes a lot of money to execute a prisoner, due to the appeals process, etc.

Lack of education and opportunity is a cause, and crime is an effect. I believe in dealing with causes, not effects. You've got to pull up a problem by the roots or it just keeps coming back. Of course some people may just be f**ked up, but no one will ever convince me that a vast number of the people who have been executed or who populate our prisons wouldn't have turned out differently if they hadn't grown up poor, poorly cared for, and undereducated.

Does it makes sense to spend money on criminals instead of children and schools? That is exactly what we are doing, but we're just cutting off the top of the weed.

We need to find a realistic way to start shifting money from prisons to schools, and quickly, because the number of people contained by our prisons and the number of people we execute makes us a laughing stock to much of the world when they hear us talking about human rights and freedom.

Meanwhile, test scores continue to slide - how many of this next crop of kids we fail will end up criminals?

God only knows.

Please could you put that into one sentence for the USA'ians who have not been to school. Ever.

SFO...wrong as usual!

I believe, i believe what the old man said
Though i know that there's no lord above
I believe in me, i believe in you
And you know i believe in love
I believe in truth though i lie a lot
I feel the pain from the push and shove
No matter what you put me through
I'll still believe in love
And i say

Since you obviously want a pissing contest, let me 'splain sumthin to u en mi bestestest english.

The United States is not a fucking democracy, never has been, never will be.

It is a constitutional republic. We elect representatives who see to our needs in the bi-cameral legislature. Now, not even all states elect their representatives the same way.

I don't bitch and moan about how other governments run their affairs. I do not live in a death pentalty state either.

I'd put my education and Cv up against yours as well as my understanding of British law against yours. You live to be my age, you just tend to pick up a head full of useless information.

I'm not the flippin Messiah, now fuck off.

How would you like me to flipping fuck off?

....and why is there a political party called the democrats?

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Quote: amosmoran3000

How can the central government be in control then? Is that the not the point of central government and democracy?

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All governments strive to find a balance between freedom, order, and equality.

If a government focuses too much on freedom, there would be no order, and equality would only exist because everyone would be equally f**ked. So, there have to be laws.

If a government focuses too much on order, there are too many laws, which means no freedom.

If a government focuses to much on equality, that's like pure communism, where no one has any more or less than anyone else, which should mean more order (less crime), but less freedom, at least in a material possessions sense.

The United States is a Democracy, and Democrats tend to be more liberal. They prefer a strong national government to make sure everyone is treated equally, sacrificing a little freedom for more order and equality. The denser the population, the more the people will be willing to make this sacrifice.

The United States is also a Republic, and Republicans tend to be more conservative. They prefer a weaker national government to allow individual states the opportunity to relax limitations on freedom, which would totally screw over cities if they didn't have rights of their own.

Government is a lot like a corporation, which has employees, managers, district managers, regional supervisors, vice presidents and presidents, except corporations are far more rigid and conservative in their policy for employees than the government, which has many liberal features that allow us some degree of personal freedom.

The bold-face parts above indicate something more sinister is going on here.



I know what it is, but I'm not going to get preachy.

Yet.

Frankie, I do believe we have another pollywog who doesn't play nice.

SFO....wrong as usual redux. I can hardly wait for the preachy part. The car parker will soon educate us on personal liberties, war tactics, capital punishment, and how to properly valet park a gas guzzler.

I did request a reply in one sentence but never mind.

So being a republic do you realise that decisions ruling governance of the state is not within the hands of the people who vote for the leaders....

Amos,

Capital punishment is practiced by almost every country in the world. That in itself is not a justification of whether it is right or wrong, it is simply a fact.

You have to make your own determination within yourself whether you find it to be immoral or unethical. Then, if you live in an area where it is practiced and you do not believe in it, you have the opportunity to try to get the laws changed.

I personally favor the death penalty in cases of premeditated murder (especially in cases where multiple homicides or rape is also involved).

As a matter of fact, we do.

The line is from Monty Python's Life of Brian. Like me, he didn't have all the answers either.

I apologize. No, I really do, Amos. I unloaded on you because you were convinent, not because you're necessarily wrong.

Again, sorry.

You didn't deserve that diatribe.