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Quote: Fergus McCarthy

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Quote: Lynton

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Quote: The San Francisco Onion

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Quote: Lynton

There IS a subtle difference - when sound waves cancel silence is the result - however, since matter can neither be created nor destroyed what happens when anti-m and m come together is a release of energy is it not?

Yes.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Einstein did prove E=mc2 did he not?

Yes.

Energy is energy it is not negative or positive it just is and doesn't cancel out like sound waves - that's why anti-m and m would make the most efficient bomb because all the enrgy in the matter would be released.

True, but think of how much energy went in before it was released. Any idea how much energy the Hadron Collider uses just for one subatomic particle collision?

The energy released equals the energy put in, so despite the "loud explosion" involved - for lack of a better description - the equation is still as balanced as one that produces a flat sound wave.

The big questions as I understand them rest in the singularity that gave rise to everything that exists and what will happen once the apparent expansion of the universe stops (indeed whether or not it is actually accelerating or decelerating is not really cut and dried). We know nothing much except that it has been hypothesised that all the energy in the universe was concentrated into an infinitessimally small volume and depending on who is talking the universe will undergo heat death or start to contract.

There's another option. Just as the expanding shell of gases blown off a supernova compresses gas clouds ahead of it to hasten the formation of new stars, the boundaries of our expanding universe push outward, hastening the formation of other universes much like ours that we cannot see because of, among other things, gravitational lensing.

As with idea of God the closer one comes to the beginning or the end of things in physics the more imponderable it becomes since we have no language, not even mathematics, that can adequately describe a phenomenon the nature of which we actually have enormous difficulty to conceive.

That's easy for you to say.

We perhaps cannot ever know these answers because any system can never contain enough information to describe itself.

And yet you managed to sum up the entire situation in just eighteen words!

Are you God?

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It is irrelevant that energy was put into making the antimatter it just shows that to transform energy in our universe into just one antiparticle is an extremely inefficent process in which most of the energy is actually dissipated as other forms of energy and not directly transformed into the antiparticle. The positron formed contains only the energy that it can contain which comparatively is very small.

the mass of an positron is around .(33zeros)1, grams
multiply it by the speed of light squared what does it amount to in joules? You do the sums Onion. Compare that to what happened in the atom bomb. It amounts to a minute fraction of that energy when considering a single particle. Compare it to the energy used to boil a litre of water.

But it is all theoretical the question of antimatter - the experiment proved the postulate that it could exist it just exists in insignificantly small quantities when it exist and is immediately annihilated.

Other options for the Univers are no more than other hypotheses - I mentioned two that I know about - not much more to be said until evidence is gathered to support one or the other.


Yes Onion what I say about God and physical beginnings and ends may be easy to say - but it is ALL that we can say until and unless we get a radical change in our current paradigms and a adequate language to describe things.And by the way it is much better informed and qualified people than me who have said it - I just summed up their ideas -I just reported what I have ascertained from my study of the matter. I don't pretend to know anything and I am very aware of what I do not know as any scientist of integrity should. I feel my way forward in the dark like most people trying to make sense of this existence.


I have no pretentions to deity and see no reason why you should pose the question since there was nothing but uncertainty in everything I wrote. As far as life the universe and everything is concerned the answer could still turn out to be 42.5 as Douglas Adams suggested.

One thing that is certain is that humans in general and a lot of scientists in particular find it hard to resist the temptation of hubris and forget humility faced with the mystery of it all.

One thing that emerges from this bag of chemicals that we are is that we are sentient and able to experience and feel that some things are mysterious and transcendent, particularly if they defy our abilities to link cause and effect ie. if we see effects without apparent cause. Personally I've never had a religious experience - others have and it is inevitable that my perception of how things might be will be different to theirs.

I can accept that the rational and (apparently) irrational can exist side by side in the human psyche and I think that science might find an explanation for it but it won't make much difference. I have no faith whatsoever that science will answer the two great questions we are talking about

Had I been God I would also have said to living things to go forth be fruitful and multiply - and I would have told Adam the same and I would have warned him about the tree of knowledge and how it can fuck you up unless you learn to stop worrying too much about the answers to the the most difficult questions and that if he did start getting uneasy about the meaning of it all then he should join the spoof, it's a great help.

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Wow!!

Look how long this thread is when I quote everything.

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Mine's longer.

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Quote: Lynton

I have no pretentions to deity and see no reason why you should pose the question since there was nothing but uncertainty in everything I wrote.

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lol

I was just wondering, that's all.

Stop with the quotes of quotes already. Scrolling down makes me dizzy and takes up a lot of those computer thingamyjigs.

Why DO people put quotes. I've NEVER understood that. It happens on lots of sites.

Maybe I'm a tad jealous coz I haven't figured out how to do that yet.

BTW do you get 'points'for adding quotes in your posts or what. (Insert question marks in appropriate places).

Regarding this,

I remain a BAV, and proud of it.

Lady Godiva

Bloody hell, there is one thing I have learned and that is not to pose a question about physics to The Francisco Onion!
My life is a mess and here I am thinking about nothing.
Well, it works for me!

I may be wrong, but I think Victor IS God.
During some of the heated debates, he comes along and throws in a very calming aside.

I witnessed this on several threads, and it did not connect at first. But now I am convinced. (Apologies to Bhudda)
Only a superior being could calm such raging waters!


If Victor is God, that would mean Colonel Juan is Jesus and SKOOB is the Holy Spirit.

Thats it! The three in one, the trinity!

Can I have three wishes please? Or do you not grant stuff like that on forums?

Arm

I'll buy you a pint if you want.

London - August 28th.

Spoof writers meet and greet.

You're in Sussex, I'm in Hants, so there's no excuse me lad. PM me and I'll fill you in with the details.

Morse is coming over from the States.

Regards

Skoob.

I'm keepin' clear of ARM

Arm's nothing but a limb fetishist..

D'you know..

he's threatening to drive nails through me hands and feet..

Skoob you fu*kin dwarf...

When you gonna read my masterpiece?????????

In time CJ...in time...

Do not despair.

Repose beckons.

Bonjour.

(That's Italian that is - it means 'Goodnight')

Skoob.

Back to the serious side,

I don't buy the idea of a big bang start to it all, it's too linear in human terms and denies the concept of conservation of matter/energy.

Why not consider a big collision instead of a singularity for the creation of our universe as part of a a constant ebb and flow overall of matter and energy.

But that is just my theory of of how creamsicles are made.

Just follow my recipe above in my edited post it will all become clear after a couple of those

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Quote: armfeetandtoe

Is there a God, and if so, who cuts his beard?
I was thinking about this last night, and the answer is a bit of a double edged sword. Nowhere in the bible does it refer to a holy barber, so who does the trimming?

Answers from devil worshippers welcome.



Arm

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God most likely has one of those really long White/Greyish beards that you need like two people behind to uphold.

You mob are scary psychos (except VC)

SFO, nothing exists.

And nothing DOESN'T exist.

And the great thing about it is that you CAN and CANNOT prove it!


There is no 'GOD' and there IS a 'GOD'.

Everyone wins. And loses.
It's a great thing indeed.

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Quote: Skoob1999

Arm

I'll buy you a pint if you want.

London - August 28th.

Spoof writers meet and greet.

You're in Sussex, I'm in Hants, so there's no excuse me lad. PM me and I'll fill you in with the details.

Morse is coming over from the States.

Regards

Skoob.

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Dear Beautifus SKOOB

How do I send private messeges?

Arm

Click on "You have no new messages" at the top of the page.

Then when it opens the page, click on "Send new message"

Then it will give you the option of admin (for Mark) or other writer. Click the "Writer" button.

Type in the writer name you want to PM

Compose message.

Click "Send"

And Bob's your uncle.

If you've received any PM's, the link at the top of the page will say "You have 1 new message"

Click the link and it'll take you to your in box.

Regards

Skoob.

Wisdom indeed.

For those who have eyes.

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Quote: Jesus Budda

SFO, nothing exists.

And nothing DOESN'T exist.

And the great thing about it is that you CAN and CANNOT prove it!


There is no 'GOD' and there IS a 'GOD'.

Everyone wins. And loses.
It's a great thing indeed.

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Ah, so a 'particle' is one of these postulates or hypotheses that Lynton keeps reminding us about. You know, another clever idea we use to order what we see around us.

I've heard of this torus business.

What's a thing then?

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Quote: The San Francisco Onion

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Quote: Erskin Quint

What's a particle then?

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It's the opposite of an anti-particle.

Haven't you been paying attention?



Actually, the universe itself is a particle. It is a graviton. Detecting this graviton is as easy as listening to the background noise of the universe discovered by Bell Labs technicians in the 60's.

The universe/graviton is torus-shaped, a remnant of a topological change that occurred when centrifugal force and conservation of angular momentum flattened a tremendous black hole in its continued Big Crunch, eventually punching a hole centered around the axis of rotation, rupturing space and setting off the Big Bang.

That's my Grand Unified Theory of Everything in an Onion skin.

The universe is a graviton, which is shaped like a donut.

You heard it here first, folks.

Don't tell Brian Greene.

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Quote: Jesus Budda

SFO, nothing exists.

And nothing DOESN'T exist.

And the great thing about it is that you CAN and CANNOT prove it!


There is no 'GOD' and there IS a 'GOD'.

Everyone wins. And loses.
It's a great thing indeed.

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JB:

You have achieved Nirvana.

Yeah. Another way to look at it:

Body is nothing more than emptiness,
emptiness is nothing more than body.
The body is exactly empty,
and emptiness is exactly body.

The other four aspects of human existence --
feeling, thought, will, and consciousness --
are likewise nothing more than emptiness,
and emptiness nothing more than they.

All things are empty:
Nothing is born, nothing dies,
nothing is pure, nothing is stained,
nothing increases and nothing decreases.

Ommmmmmm Mane Padme Ommmmmmm EQ turn that crazy prayer wheel - your neighbours are convinced it is a wind turbine

The Lhasa News - The Same News Every Day -
All Day Long

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Quote: Erskin Quint

Body is nothing more than emptiness,
emptiness is nothing more than body.
The body is exactly empty,
and emptiness is exactly body.

The other four aspects of human existence --
feeling, thought, will, and consciousness --
are likewise nothing more than emptiness,
and emptiness nothing more than they.

All things are empty:
Nothing is born, nothing dies,
nothing is pure, nothing is stained,
nothing increases and nothing decreases.

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Nowt to do with me.

Just another way of looking at all this nothingness business.

It's all bollocks anyway.

That's a corker Victor!

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Quote: victor nicholas

The Lhasa News - The Same News Every Day -
All Day Long

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Quote: Erskin Quint

Body is nothing more than emptiness,
emptiness is nothing more than body.
The body is exactly empty,
and emptiness is exactly body.

The other four aspects of human existence --
feeling, thought, will, and consciousness --
are likewise nothing more than emptiness,
and emptiness nothing more than they.

All things are empty:
Nothing is born, nothing dies,
nothing is pure, nothing is stained,
nothing increases and nothing decreases.

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Erskin

They do not make much advertising revenue I'm afraid and it's not very current regarding what's in the movie theatres.

Perhaps we should start another series - The Lhasa News

SFO would contribute.

Oh I don't know, the movie scene is pretty vacuous these days!

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Quote: victor nicholas

Erskin

They do not make much advertising revenue I'm afraid and it's not very current regarding what's in the movie theatres.

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