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No England team is going to win anything until they get some players that:

1. Spend less time in the papers for their games off the field and more time for their games on the pitch.

2. Actually look as if they are enjoying themselves when playing the game.

Why don't they just take the England under eighteens/nineteens
of today and train them up intensively for the next WC? They'll be the youngest and most energetic team fielded.

This said I really don't think there's been much so far in this series that I would really call scintillating football except perhaps for Slovakia sorting out the I-ties

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Quote: Monkey Woods

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Quote: Jesus Budda

Ah, the goal that was disallowed.
Lets be honest, it wouldn't have changed a thing.

Whipped by a far superior team who know how to play football.

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You know I love you, Budda, but I have to take issue with your somewhat uneducated assertion that the disallowed 'goal', had it been allowed, "would not have changed anything".

First, it would have changed the scoreline; no matter what happpened thereafter, the scoreline could not have finished 4-1.

Second, I believe that, with England in the ascendancy:

a) Germany might have buckled, and fallen apart at the seams
b) England might have gone on to assert their dominance at that point
c) other changes out of the scope of my, or your, imagination might have occurred.

For example, a bird may have landed on Mueller's head as he was about to poke the third goal home, and he could, subsequently, have toe-poked it wide. Frank Lamp-post's tremendous shot could have crept just underneath the bar to give England the lead.

The whole game could have changed had the 'goal' been given. In fact, to say that 'it wouldn't have changed anything', is the purest speculation on your part, if you don't mind me saying so, and, even if you do, I have still said it, or rather, written it. I say that the goal being given would almost certainly have resulted in a different outcome - as mentioned above - and, quite possibly, might also have given England a way back into the game that they didn't really deserve, so shit was the defence. Indeed, was there a defence on the pitch?

I do have one question for you all, though:

Is John Terry finished?

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If he keeps his mouth shut long enough for the Red Tops to find another "inside source" to "quote", he may survive. Let's see it's Monday, they get back tomorrow - quick check at the Cashline to make sure the WAG has not spent all the money, down to the 24 hour boozer to moan about that bloody Eyetie then intercepted by the paps and Wednesday - bob's your uncle - "England Training Camp was a Battlefield" exclusive.

JC, 18 minutes of World Cup finals, no relation, appears to have an awful lot to say for himself!

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Quote: Jaggedone

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Quote: Jesus Budda

If Fergus is with me, and you are with Fergus....then why do I feel so alone?

I like the vuvulezals. I heard them first at the Confederations Cup last year so maybe I'm immune to them now.
Or deaf.

Come on Chile!
Come on Sanchez!
Score a goal!
Win the match!
Get rid of that Fabiano scumbag!
Hooray!

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JB, you should apply for Linekers job, at least you make me laugh ooohh and as for England: Please refer to my quote about them being crap and that Barry boy has got such a fat arse it wobbled all the way behind the Turk or was he German, nevermind, England are out and I'm fucking glad, at least we can start watching some real footy!

Rooney, couldn't lick Messis bum even if he caught him, TOSSSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Messi needs some goals, Jaggedone. He's done some dribbling and the odd bit of flair here and there but Tevez is the better player.
Sacrilege?
Who would you rather have on your team? Messi who can be very easily marked out of the game (see last match for example) and occasionally scores a good goal, or Carlos Tevez who never stops going (he's the Duracell Bunny of Football) and scores spectacular goals AND normal goals?

Robben and Tevez are better performers.

The problem I have with Messi (and I do like the little fella) is that everyone watns him to be great but he flatters to deceive.

Remember the World Cup in either ''98 or 2002 where everyone was banging on and on about Ronaldo (the fat one)? But it was plain to see that Rivaldo was the better player, better to watch and had better teeth (he had none as far as I know - lost them due to lack of food as a child).

I thought that there was a chance of producing some real stars at this world cup but so far all there is are a couple of good new lads like Ozil and the old time performers like Klose (surely a man who should have been in a 1980's electro-pop tribute act) and hateful faced talented bastards like Fabiano.

Where are the stars?
Are they still in the sky?
Answer me, Lord?
Answer my prayers?
Curse you, Dammit! Damn you to hell!

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Quote: Lynton

No England team is going to win anything until they get some players that:

1. Spend less time in the papers for their games off the field and more time for their games on the pitch.

2. Actually look as if they are enjoying themselves when playing the game.

Why don't they just take the England under eighteens/nineteens
of today and train them up intensively for the next WC? They'll be the youngest and most energetic team fielded.

This said I really don't think there's been much so far in this series that I would really call scintillating football except perhaps for Slovakia sorting out the I-ties

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The USA matches in the group stage were full of excitement...well, in the last few minutes anyway.

Good plan that, Lynton.
Why don't you be the England manager?

But I would add these elements too:
3. A fat, alcoholic Geordie player with talent and a gang of fat, drunken, balding friends.
4. A goalie with a ponytail and moustache (except for shots from the halfway line).
5. Jellybabies. Everybody likes jellybabies and they would perk up the team.

JB, you forget one thing, Messi drags three defenders with him every time he's on the ball allowing his team mates to do the biz, and as for scoring, how many has he assisted?

I agree there are no rising stars on the horizon except that tatooed coloured Dutch kiddo, pretty good.

The Dutch haven't had a decent opponent up till now but their bags will certainly be on the plane Saturday.

Brazil, muy fantastico (thank our heavenly father that England didn't have to play that lot!) Best performance up till now against a cracking Chile.

And as for Barry's fat wobbly DA, he'd do better on the gay Tour de France!

Come on England!



I mean... oh.

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Quote: Monkey Woods

Come on England!



I mean... oh.

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MW/JB can you please translate that comment into Thai

No, I/we can't.


All of my 'hopeful' teams are going out. The USA, Slovakia, Japan, South Korea, Chile. I don't care who wins it now. Maybe Paraguay or Uruguay. Oops, that's the kiss of death on both of them.

Or Ghana? Be nice to see an African team win. Not Spain though, or Brazil, or Germany - bastards! I also don't like the Dutch. You know, just ordinary Dutch people walking about, not necessarily the football team, although I hate them as well. I used to like that Arie Haan fella, the bloke who scored with the 40-yard shot against Italy in the 1978 WC. I really despised that Ronald Koeman in the 90s - wanker! They're a bit ugly, aren't they, the Dutch? A bit box-faced. Too tall for their own good, and a bit ungainly. I'm sure there must be a reason for it - probably too many tulips in the diet.

Or too many windmills, or perhaps it's the clogs or the canals. Don't ask me.

Monkey Woods/Jesus Budda, I think you are being a bit too harsh on the Dutch people.
Sure, they might be hateful, arrogant, ruddy-faced, pudgy and have a slightly 'retarded' look in their eyes, BUT occasionally (OCCASIONALLY!) they have their moments.
VanDer Valk.

I rest my case. Any man who solves crimes is Ok by JB/MW.

Jaggedone, I take your point on the Messi 'issue', but you could put an attractive woman in a low-cut top on the pitch and she'd drag several opposing players away too.
Messi is no Maradona.
Remember Ariel Ortega? Riquelme? good players but not Maradona either.
Messi needs some goals (and to get at least as far as the Final) before he can claim to be more than he is: a very good player.
He could work on geting a personality too. A bit too Zidance-like in the facial department for my likin'.

On a side note, I watched that DVD that came free with the Sunday Times a few weeks back - the one where the columnists picked out who they thought would be the standout playes in the World Cup.
It was interesting watching it for the first time. The failures were obvious: Ronaldo, Drogba, Ribery, Gerrard and Rooney.
I'm glad they made a bit of a fuss about a player like Lucio who is a truly great player and the comparisons to Dunga were fair.
Brazil without Lucio and Fabiano would be pretty weak. I must now plot a way to have their legs broken before the Dutch game. Despite the Dutch ugliness (despite VanPersie and Schneider probably) I hope they win.
I wanna see Robben get 25 goals in that match.

I know its unlikely but I can dream.
No, seriously - I CAN dream.
I did it last night. It was a wonderful dream. I hope to do the same again tonight.

I did it last night. It was a wonderful dream. I hope to do the same again tonight.

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JB, how wet was it?

You really don't want me to answer that....

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Quote: Jesus Budda

You really don't want me to answer that....

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well, not really, it was just a thought that brought me back to my teeny horny days when a naked pair of boobs was enough to set off my niagara-falls (nowadays viagra-falls)!

I'm presuming you were 'set off' by a naked pair of boobs attached to a human female?
You're not one of those weirdo's are you? Just checking.

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Quote: Jesus Budda

I'm presuming you were 'set off' by a naked pair of boobs attached to a human female?
You're not one of those weirdo's are you? Just checking.

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Keine Angst, actually I remember seeing a pair of naked boobs in an Elvis film a long time ago, was it that Hawaian thing, or was it Pussy Galore in Goldfinger? please help

You are beyond help.
you must have got the X-rated versions of Elvis films and James Bond stuff.

Jane in Tarzan liked splashing abut with Cheetah in the pool in the nip. Loved watching Tarzan on Saturday mornings....Maybe thats it.

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Quote: Jesus Budda

You are beyond help.
you must have got the X-rated versions of Elvis films and James Bond stuff.

Jane in Tarzan liked splashing abut with Cheetah in the pool in the nip. Loved watching Tarzan on Saturday mornings....Maybe thats it.

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thanks JB, my fantasy was beginning to drift, but I'm sure I remember a pair of bouncing boobs swishing in the sea, maybe it was Cliff Richards Summer Holiday? What a lovely innocent film that was, those were the good old gay days before it all become gay.

Yes, I think I remember Summer Holiday. Wasn't that the one where Cliff goes away on that big double-decker bus, and bums most of The Shadows?

But not in a gay way...

Regards

Skoob.

I know its slightly off topic but, when you write the word BURN on a piece of paper it seems to always look like BUM.
I wonder is this has ever caused any sort of accident or incident.

And I know this is also slightly off topic but HE-Man defeated the Shadow People who lived in some dark valley once upon a time by using his shield to reflect light into the dark. he was a clever man, that He-Man. Wasn't all muscles and Battlecats.

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Quote: Jesus Budda

I know its slightly off topic but, when you write the word BURN on a piece of paper it seems to always look like BUM.
I wonder is this has ever caused any sort of accident or incident.

And I know this is also slightly off topic but HE-Man defeated the Shadow People who lived in some dark valley once upon a time by using his shield to reflect light into the dark. he was a clever man, that He-Man. Wasn't all muscles and Battlecats.

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JB, you're fucking high, cut down on that skunk??????