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But some paintings can be beautiful and really thought provoking. Likewise, can some poetry. But one thing that separates art art from poetry is that any moron can write a poem. I certainly can't paint a still life. Random shit I could do though, same as any fool who wants to write a poem.

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Ye but art is what people think also, its like a 2 year old with a lump of coal has hit the canvas, and some people with loads of cash like it, there is some famous artist well if you can call him that.

He sticks dead animals in tanks of formaldahyde and maybe adds a few tacky touches here and there. His work sells for millions.

One of his last crap offerings for sale was a dead pony in a tank with a bloody straight horn stuck to its forehead, to make it look like a Pegasus.

Vincent van Gogh , sure maybe some people could like his work, but is it worth as much as it supposedly sells for ? is it bollocks, some of them many artists could do better and probably have done, whether they be dead or alive.

As for poetry i dislike it mostly, although i dont read much of it if ever TBH.

Ps i have a poetry book for sale ALFRED TENNYSON, theres only a few on ebay and i am the cheapest !!!
PLS some One buy my poetry book!!!!

Regards

PMC

JO: drinks for you are free (if you can find me a woman with a 30' bass boat with a 180 HP I/O and a live well big enough for a keg and two nekkid womens).

$100 to the first person that convinces MB to dance on my table in a Girl Scout uniform, knee socks and penny loafers. Make the pennies 1951 D's.

Got my cabber under my kilt girlies. There's gonna be a Mississippi squirrel revival at the Oasis tonight!

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I cant promise you the exact measurements but the one I have can blow up to any size you require, as for your kilt, I wear one too, sometimes, after I've been to the bog!

I agree with Pimpmycapitalist about poetry.

Well, of course I do, because I AM Pimpmycapitalist! Oh, I'm so many people on here, that sometimes it feels as if I'm posting to myslef!

I'm waiting for Frankie, or anyone else, to explain poetry to me. I don't mean simple stuff like 'What is a poem?" I know what a poem is, but I need someone to explain how I can 'feel' poetry, how I can experience it, and how I can avoid going to sleep when poetry is mentioned.

Please help, you poetry-familiars. I need to know.

Smurfette, you sound like the sort of half-educated type that would understand it. Duncan probably does, but he'll be off somewhere craning his neck to reach his own bell end. What about Madame Bitters? Or NickFun? Where the flip is Nick these days?

Someone help me, please!

MW: quoting the Jman:

"Poetry in motion is a great pair of tits. I love to watch as they ebb and flow
unrestrained, pulsating, thrusting toward me.

I am often mesmorized, , as I sit at my keyboard; visions of bouyant tropical fruit dance before my eyes- nectar of sustanence, undulating, bobbing in the water on a far away tropical beach..they are always just out of my reach.

Don't tell anyone, but my screen saver is 'Octomom' at Feeding Time."


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Monkey Woods:

I'll try taking off my poumet's hat and putting on my consumer cap. Because poetry is an art formed out of words, it's lines are brush strokes. Each poet/painter is easily recognized by his or her layering on the canvas.

Like you, most abstract art leaves me cold, but it really isn't the style that makes me walk away muttering; it is my inability (or refusal) to be moved by it that makes me seek out more realism.

Before I need an industrial blender to further mix my metaphors, let me try another tack. If you've read of the Beat Generation, you've seen or heard many one or two word phrases punctuated by some ass on a bongo drum beating out conjunctions. Shit, that went nowhere quick.

How bout this one: Is rap music? Must one be black to enjoy and understand the pathos? Fuck no! If your culture demeans its ten-year-old girls, teenagers and mothers--and those mothers pay money to listen to it, it is abnormal pathology. It is the end time for that group--and it shows in the same way that acid rock created people unable to string together a subject and a verb.

SHIT, Duncan is absolutely right, other than the fact I ain't no Yank, I am a windbag.

Problem is, Monkey, (as I said four days and thirty-thousand miles ago) that poetry is "consumercentric" (c) FEJ Industries, LTD, ADD, PTSD.

Elliot's "We are the hollow men" has much in common with ghetto rap. No shit, I ain't making that up. Elliot saw his culture as having hit its zenith and nose diving into oblivion..............

The difference in appreciation is that where Elliot's CATS is quaint--it's famous musical is trivial. A Rasin in the Sun by _____________________ is poetry of survival on the page or on the stage.

One final attempt, if you'll wake long enough to absorb this: Were I a good poet, this tripe wouldn't have cosst so much of your life to read. And more than your bowels would be set to move at the end of it.

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Quote: Frankie The J

Monkey Woods:

I'll try taking off my poumet's hat and putting on my consumer cap. Because poetry is an art formed out of words, it's lines are brush strokes. Each poet/painter is easily recognized by his or her layering on the canvas.

Like you, most abstract art leaves me cold, but it really isn't the style that makes me walk away muttering; it is my inability (or refusal) to be moved by it that makes me seek out more realism.

Before I need an industrial blender to further mix my metaphors, let me try another tack. If you've read of the Beat Generation, you've seen or heard many one or two word phrases punctuated by some ass on a bongo drum beating out conjunctions. Shit, that went nowhere quick.

How bout this one: Is rap music? Must one be black to enjoy and understand the pathos? Fuck no! If your culture demeans its ten-year-old girls, teenagers and mothers--and those mothers pay money to listen to it, it is abnormal pathology. It is the end time for that group--and it shows in the same way that acid rock created people unable to string together a subject and a verb.

SHIT, Duncan is absolutely right, other than the fact I ain't no Yank, I am a windbag.

Problem is, Monkey, (as I said four days and thirty-thousand miles ago) that poetry is "consumercentric" (c) FEJ Industries, LTD, ADD, PTSD.

Elliot's "We are the hollow men" has much in common with ghetto rap. No shit, I ain't making that up. Elliot saw his culture as having hit its zenith and nose diving into oblivion..............

The difference in appreciation is that where Elliot's CATS is quaint--it's famous musical is trivial. A Rasin in the Sun by _____________________ is poetry of survival on the page or on the stage.

One final attempt, if you'll wake long enough to absorb this: Were I a good poet, this tripe wouldn't have cosst so much of your life to read. And more than your bowels would be set to move at the end of it.

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Frankie, have they let you out lately for a ray of sunshine or are you still in solitary!???

Let me state a couple of things:
1. I did not write the stuff attributed to my by Morse (though I do "admire" breasts...in more ways than one).
2. I enjoy some poetry (mainly the classics)
3. I have written some poetry
4. I also had a faggot college creative writing professor for my poetry class (she was a dyke) who got off on crappy work.
5. I can generally work through the symbolism to find what the writer is talking about.
6. Truck driver poetry and Cowboy poetry (two of the modern movements) generally sucks.
7. Rap music lyrics are not poetry. They are garbage.

As part of my wife's masters program she is in, she is having to take a senior level Shakespeare class. She has no talent at this and I am having to try to help her through everything. We just finished on the sonnets last week and this week she is doing "A Midsummer Night's Dream."

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Quote: Jalapenoman

Let me state a couple of things:
1. I did not write the stuff attributed to my by Morse (though I do "admire" breasts...in more ways than one).
2. I enjoy some poetry (mainly the classics)
3. I have written some poetry
4. I also had a faggot college creative writing professor for my poetry class (she was a dyke) who got off on crappy work.
5. I can generally work through the symbolism to find what the writer is talking about.
6. Truck driver poetry and Cowboy poetry (two of the modern movements) generally sucks.
7. Rap music lyrics are not poetry. They are garbage.

As part of my wife's masters program she is in, she is having to take a senior level Shakespeare class. She has no talent at this and I am having to try to help her through everything. We just finished on the sonnets last week and this week she is doing "A Midsummer Night's Dream."

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Shakespeare is like a piss up in brewery, heavy headed and quickly forgotten!

I thought that I had managed to put most of it out of my mind almost 30 years ago, but now I'm having to try to dredge it back up.

I hate Shakespeare. Give me Wordsworth, Shelley, Keats, Yeats, and that bunch any day.

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Quote: Jalapenoman

I thought that I had managed to put most of it out of my mind almost 30 years ago, but now I'm having to try to dredge it back up.

I hate Shakespeare. Give me Wordsworth, Shelley, Keats, Yeats, and that bunch any day.

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JP my thoughts go out to you, I never read just write this crap!

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Quote: Jalapenoman

I thought that I had managed to put most of it out of my mind almost 30 years ago, but now I'm having to try to dredge it back up.

I hate Shakespeare. Give me Wordsworth, Shelley, Keats, Yeats, and that bunch any day.

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Jman: don't be so modest about your musings on breasts!

Had one whole semester just on King Lear, the rest was hot too...sex, incest, mixed metaphors, buggery and oh, yes, one about the insecure Moor has some
relevance today too!

Morse

JO:

Sunshine? What is sunshine?

Jeeze, I can't splain poumetry. No wonder...only fag English profs seem to want to!

J-Man, was she blonde and stout with a Sweedish sounding name who lived in Lehi?

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Quote: Frankie The J

Monkey Woods:

Like you, most abstract art leaves me cold, but it really isn't the style that makes me walk away muttering; it is my inability (or refusal) to be moved by it that makes me seek out more realism.

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I think I know what you mean. Poetry's shit, right?

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Quote: Frankie The J

How bout this one: Is rap music?

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Is rap music WHAT?

Oh, wait. I see what you mean. Yes, I think it is 'music', it's just that it's not very good 'music'. And it's also gone on too long. Punk knew when to turn into New Wave; rap hasn't got a clue what to do with itself, and rappers are merely imitators of their heroes, with a few more tits and asses thrown into their videos.

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Quote: Frankie The J

Elliot's "We are the hollow men" has much in common with ghetto rap. No shit, I ain't making that up. Elliot saw his culture as having hit its zenith and nose diving into oblivion..............

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Fred Elliott?

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Quote: Frankie The J

One final attempt, if you'll wake long enough to absorb this: Were I a good poet, this tripe wouldn't have cosst so much of your life to read. And more than your bowels would be set to move at the end of it.

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I disagree. Your post was art, whereas most poetry, to me, is pretentious drivel, penned by pretentious drivellers. My own take on poetry, is that someone, at sometime, became so bored, that they hammered out some pretentious drivel to waste a few minutes one evening, and another person, predisposed to exaggerating the importance of pretentious drivel, got hold of it.

The rest is history.

Monkey Woods:

I'm not familiar with Fred Elliot. There was one poet named Cass Elliot back in the haze, er day.

I meant Tommy S. Elliot. He's the Yank what's buried in the Poetry Corner in Westminster Abbey Road.

He wrote:

How does the world end?
Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

That's fucking poetry my simian friend!

Fred Elliott

Goddam you Limey barstards, how come you all have the best TV in the friggin world? As well as the most insane comedians?

Damn I hate/love you guys.

Thanks for the tip. I'll find someway of getting ahold of Coronation Street. I paid through the nose for my complete set of Are You being Served and Faulty Towers, Monty Python, and the incomparable Lady of the House, Mrs. BOO-Kay.

Thank you Mr. Lowton.

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Quote: Frankie The J

Goddam you Limey barstards, how come you all have the best TV in the friggin world? As well as the most insane comedians?

Damn I hate/love you guys.

Thanks for the tip. I'll find someway of getting ahold of Coronation Street. I paid through the nose for my complete set of Are You being Served and Faulty Towers, Monty Python, and the incomparable Lady of the House, Mrs. BOO-Kay.

Thank you Mr. Lowton.

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FJ calm down the scatch marks over your bed are getting deeper!

Frankie

You must watch Peter Kay's Phoenix Nights.

The most perfect sitcom since Fawlty Towers.

And an ex workmate of mine and my mum's old mucker were in it!

There'll be clips on You Tube.

I say There'll be clips on You Tube.

Phoenix Nights.

Check it out.

Comedy genius.

Skoob.

"it's not worth a penny, I say it's not worth a penny"

F Elliott

Ah, yes. Pure poetry.

Here's some notes on a couple of war poems. It's a big-ish file (1.4mb)

That's the sort of bollocks you've got to write about in an English A-level exam to get an A - if you can read it, you're doing better than I.

BTW I didn't draw the chilled out guy, I just jazzed him up a bit. Originally, I think he was a sleeping soldier. I gave him some shades, turned his gun into an umbrella and turned his tin-hat into more of a relaxed summer-wear feel. Doodling is also a prerequisite to doing well in exams.

Mark, I would recommend Gillete razorblades to deal with that HANDLEBAR!

I just reread this entire thread, and I agree with Jaggedone: There is a hell of a lot of talented people on this site.

Monkey, I truly enjoyed my attempt at emplaining poetry, and I do believe you are correct: most of the modern poetry is shite!

But Rock n Roll will never die!

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Quote: Mark Lowton

Here's some notes on a couple of war poems. It's a big-ish file (1.4mb)

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It ws there, I was reading the bit about 'prepositional phrase', and then it became tiny, and I couldn't read it anymore! Fiddlesticks!

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Quote: Mark Lowton

That's the sort of bollocks you've got to write about in an English A-level exam to get an A - if you can read it, you're doing better than I.

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A beautifully-finished sentence, I have to say.

It's like this: I find poetry so pretentious and unnecessary, that I cannot force myself to take it seriously, and would not, therefore, be able to study for, take or pass the exam. That's why I failed my English Literature 'O' Level exam at school.

The questions were like:

"What do you think the poet was trying to say when he wrote this: ...?"

Well, there is no incorrect answer to that one, I'm afraid. I will interpret what the author wrote in my own way, and there isn't an exam-marker alive who could possibly contest what I write.

Or:

"What would have been another way the poet could have said this: ...?"

Anoter easy one, that. You've guessed it, whatever I say next is correct.

Not according to the connoisseurs, though.

In my opinion, poetry exists because straight-talking literature wasn't enough. "No, we don't want to read cumbersome books full of tens of thousands of words - let's devise another way of writing, one that will be less wasteful of paper, of time and of effort. Come, let's create 'poetry', a new art form, that only the very gifted of us will be able to understand and interpret. Those poor unwashed devils will be floundering in the dark with this one!"


I don't much care for symbolism. Although I sometimes use it in my stories here, you can rest assured that it's a piss-take, rather than me trying to be ... well, symbolic.

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Quote: Mark Lowton

Doodling is also a prerequisite to doing well in exams.

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Mercy me! The final hammer-blow. Wouldst that I had known this!


Ah well, at least the sun's out. (Woods 2009)