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Quote: amosmoran3000

I did request a reply in one sentence but never mind.

So being a republic do you realise that decisions ruling governance of the state is not within the hands of the people who vote for the leaders....

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I apologize. I'm bad at short answers. Here's one sentence:

I realize that if human population continues to burgeon, and resource consumption continues to increase, we are in for a world of shit that, in its final days, will involve myriad Adolph Hitler types (not of the Obama persuasion) before we finally resort to cannibalism, and that's pretty much out of my hands too, because no one really wants to hear what I have to say!!

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Quote: BuckwheatsButt

how to properly valet park a gas guzzler

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Ouch!

I've got to eat, though.

I get to see top of the line cars every single day, though, and since the market is skewed here, I can testify that many companies' Green efforts are exceptional, if exceptionally late.

Dear Jalapeno,

Please forward your source of information that capital punishment is practiced by almost every country in the world. Iran/Iraq/Sharia countries maybe.....but on the whole I beg to differ and can provide statistics.

If you live in an area where it is practiced how can you change the law if the representative legally does not have to exhibit your views?

As was quoted earlier on in this thread, humans are not perfect, so why give them the choice of life or death over others? Does the president still swear on the bible?

Can we start on the French now.....

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Quote: The San Francisco Onion

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Quote: amosmoran3000

Why do some US states have the death penalty yet their laws are based on Christianity....

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"A chain is only as strong as its weakest link."

People are not perfect as individuals, so a representative democracy, being made up of these same individuals, will end up passing laws that are also not perfect and sometimes self-contradictory, because laws are, in essence, arbitrary lines drawn between right and wrong that represent a boundary deemed acceptable by the majority.

It costs a lot of money to keep an inmate for a year.
Millions of people live on less salary in the U.S.

But it also takes a lot of money to execute a prisoner, due to the appeals process, etc.

Lack of education and opportunity is a cause, and crime is an effect. I believe in dealing with causes, not effects. You've got to pull up a problem by the roots or it just keeps coming back. Of course some people may just be f**ked up, but no one will ever convince me that a vast number of the people who have been executed or who populate our prisons wouldn't have turned out differently if they hadn't grown up poor, poorly cared for, and undereducated.

Does it makes sense to spend money on criminals instead of children and schools? That is exactly what we are doing, but we're just cutting off the top of the weed.

We need to find a realistic way to start shifting money from prisons to schools, and quickly, because the number of people contained by our prisons and the number of people we execute makes us a laughing stock to much of the world when they hear us talking about human rights and freedom.

Meanwhile, test scores continue to slide - how many of this next crop of kids we fail will end up criminals?

God only knows.

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I totally agree with SFO

Personally could do away with cost of appeals IF they just killed, 100% guilty offenders, for certain crimes and circumstance.

Joseph fritzl was 100% guilty of his crimes, i know hes not american just i use this as example of someone who should have no chance of appeal and should be killed instead of locked up!.

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Quote: Jalapenoman

Amos,

Capital punishment is practiced by almost every country in the world. That in itself is not a justification of whether it is right or wrong, it is simply a fact.

You have to make your own determination within yourself whether you find it to be immoral or unethical. Then, if you live in an area where it is practiced and you do not believe in it, you have the opportunity to try to get the laws changed.

I personally favor the death penalty in cases of premeditated murder (especially in cases where multiple homicides or rape is also involved).

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The problem with the death penalty stems from if you start executing innocent people !...People do get locked up wrongly, maybe not alot, but who knows? thats IMO anyway!

Anyway night guys,

Going to bed to knock one off.

Please could someone be polite enough to start a Brit bashing thread so to allow a more rabid forum.

According to the United Nations 78 countries execute citizen for various crimes. Muslim nations demand capital punishment. China leads the world. The US is not far behind.

You can find those figures by googling UN nations that practice capital punishment.

What you will find is the nations with the largest populations execute the most people.

To sum up capital punishment...

Some people just need killin'. Period.

Here in Florida where up until a few years ago we used the electric chair to electrocute a convicted murderer. Quick, easy, and cheap.
Statistics have shown that 100% of those criminals who were put to death after long appeals, and at times a retrial, never went on to kill again.

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Quote: Frankie The J

According to the United Nations 78 countries execute citizen for various crimes. Muslim nations demand capital punishment. China leads the world. The US is not far behind.

You can find those figures by googling UN nations that practice capital punishment.

What you will find is the nations with the largest populatioms execute the most people.

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Haven't gone to bed really. No wonder the Yanks always used to get ambushed by the 'Congs.

195 countries - 78 countries = 117 countries = not almost all countries.

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Quote: amosmoran3000

Can we start on the French now.....

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I like the Statue of Liberty, even though it was a re-gift.

A French accent is very sexy.

I would like to visit Paris and the Tour Eiffel one day, and I took a year of French in high school, but have forgotten most.

Big fan of Paul Cezanne, Georges Braque.

The Maginot Line was a joke, but not a funny one.

Most French tourists are nice people, but seem quite unfamiliar with the American concept of working for tips.

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Quote: Frankie The J

What you will find is the nations with the largest populations execute the most people.

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Linked to my earlier post - Population density goes hand in hand with social problems that require more laws and government.

SFO- beware of Mark Lowton on the elevators.

His name was Charlie, or Victor Charlie. I never saw one. I fought fierce, damned good NVA soldiers just as brave as me and my Marines.

No more of this thread for me; you sir, are a master baiter.

The original name of Jefferson's party was the "Democratic Republicans."

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Quote: BuckwheatsButt

Statistics have shown that 100% of those criminals who were put to death after long appeals, and at times a retrial, never went on to kill again.

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What about their sons, daughters, nieces and nephews?

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Quote: Frankie The J

No more of this thread for me; you sir, are a master baiter.

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Uh... look at the name of the thread.

What's this all about?

Mashing potatoes?

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What's this all about?

Mashing potatoes?

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I thinks it's over.

Did you see an administrator go by on an elevator?

Maybe you could all try a little compassion.

Maybe some of you could do with a reality check.

Self indulgence is no virtue.

I thought there was more to this than self indulgence.

With obvious exceptions, (who are well aware of who they are) a question for you...

What lies beyond your own selfish agenda?

Anything?

Pretty unhappy

Skoob.

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Quote: BuckwheatsButt

To sum up capital punishment...

Some people just need killin'. Period.

Here in Florida where up until a few years ago we used the electric chair to electrocute a convicted murderer. Quick, easy, and cheap.
Statistics have shown that 100% of those criminals who were put to death after long appeals, and at times a retrial, never went on to kill again.

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Now this is clever stuff from Buckwheat.

Probably over most people's heads.

Because Buck just usually does funny stories.

Ted Bundy - arrested, escaped, went on to reoffend, serially, was arrested trying to abduct a nine year old child for nefarious purposes.

Should we show people like him compassion?

They have nothing of value to contribute.

Other than murder.

Think about it.

What if that nine year old child was your daughter?

Be merciful?

Your call dear reader.

Straight up, as ever

Skoob.

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Quote: Skoob1999

Maybe you could all try a little compassion.

Maybe some of you could do with a reality check.

Self indulgence is no virtue.

I thought there was more to this than self indulgence.

With obvious exceptions, (who are well aware of who they are) a question for you...

What lies beyond your own selfish agenda?

Anything?

Pretty unhappy

Skoob.

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Just for the record, I do not believe I have stated I was either for or against the death penalty.

I did mention something about laws, which are lines drawn between what the majority can agree is definitely wrong, and what they can get away with. But they are lines, and rather arbitrarily drawn ones, at that.

Most things should probably be judged on a case by case basis. Sometimes extreme situations call for extreme measures.

I call myself a vegetarian, but I eat fish about twice a week, chicken two weeks ago, and buffalo about 3 months ago.

It's fine to draw lines, but I tend to draw my lines in sand, because that's how the real world operates.

Regards,

SFO

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Quote: Fergus McCarthy

No.

It's not economics. If it was economic they'd kill repeat offenders for traffic violations,

Do you really want careless whisper back at number one?????

It costs million more in the courts dealing with the appeals than it does to keep them alive.

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Feargal, maybe you have an idea. Traffic violators should face capital punishment. In the USA. Or US citizens in any country in the world. Or space.

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I was thinking specifically about George Michael.

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Quote: The San Francisco Onion


I call myself a vegetarian, but I eat fish about twice a week, chicken two weeks ago, and buffalo about 3 months ago.


SFO

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You ate a whole buffalo! I bet that left at least 25 Lakota indians without dinner for at least a week! What's a matter with you! Insensitive valet! No wonder the French stiff you with tips! I'm off to write a story about this! You'll be sorry! You'll have to read it! You won't be in it either, but maybe I'll put a piece in about some sloppy valet with greasy buffalo fingers ruining a leather covered steering wheel on a BMW.

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Quote: amosmoran3000

Please could you put that into one sentence for the USA'ians who have not been to school. Ever.

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If they're in jail they don't do crime...on the civilian population

Unfortunately, as has been proven, you can throw all the money in the world
at 'education' and you can't force people to learn....or even show up.

Morse

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Quote: BuckwheatsButt

Statistics have shown that 100% of those criminals who were put to death after long appeals, and at times a retrial, never went on to kill again.

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What about their sons, daughters, nieces and nephews?

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So? What about them.
My concerns aren't about the selfish act of a murderer that condems their own family to a life of poverty or shame. Maybe it's in the genes, or passed on by a social/economic condition. I do know this, we can't throw enough money at all of humanity's problems. The cheapest, easiest solution is personal accountability. I'm sure SFO understands that part, because people of his political affiliation refer to that difficult personal trait as conservative suppression of freedoms.
My thoughts go to the family of the victim, who lost his/her life to some dickwad who hadn't a breath of compassion for, or the hesitation to, end someone's life for whatever reason.

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Quote: Frankie The J

Economics!

Costs in excess of $125K per year (US Justice figures) to house, feed, cloth and provide medical care to animals who long ago gave up any pretense to humanity.

That may not float your boat, Amos, but not many people in this country make that kind of money, so why should they have to spend it to keep killers and pedophiles, and rapists alive.

Fuck that. Barbaric? Certainly. Does executing killers et al prevent murder or pedophilia. It does for those who killers who are killed.

Now, am I personally in favor of capital punishment. Goddamned right I am. Am I enlightened? Probably not. Is there a good answer for your question? Not one that would suit you.

Hey, write a spoof about it, why not?

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there have been literally hundreds of innocent people who were condemned to death then (generally much, much later) exonerated by dna evidence discovered by attorneys working with programs like the innocence project.

how would you suggest society finally give the wrongfully accused and convicted the justice they deserve if they have been executed?

in this country, you only get the amount of justice you can afford to pay for.

which means rich monsters like oj simpson walk while people like ron williamson are either executed, die in prison, or, in ron's case, are driven insane by the horrendous conditions in prison.

"when money talks, bullshit walks"