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Family
Bill Russell
Neighbours
David Letterman
Steve Nash
V.S Naipul
Leonard Cohen
Dylan
Shaun Majumder
Russell Peters

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Hey VC you managed to pass one-line, good list BTW, you need neighbours up there, keep off the Grizzlies they're heavy!

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There's not a Kennedy in my lists, though I briefly entertained the idea of putting JFK on my favorite dead list. I like doing things, too, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.

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Ah yes, the JFK legacy...the escalation of the Vietnam war, the Bay of Pigs, Marilyn Monroe, getting into office due to the Illinois and Texas voter fraud, .....

If people would look past the charisma and see him for what he truly was, he'd be considered one of our worst presidents. I personally rank him as third worst in my lifetime (and this is only excluding Obama as he still may pull his head out of his ass and try to do something decent...though I doubt it and think he'll end up as number one).

Worst to best, ranking the Presidents in my lifetime:
1. Dubya
2. Carter
3. Kennedy
4. Reagan (the beginning of the bankrupting of America)
5. Nixon (may have been economically our best president)
6. Johnson
7. Bush Sr. (he did win in Kuwait, but then pulled out too soon).
8. Clinton
9. Ford (not really in long enough to screw much up)

Politics, politics, politics!

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Quote: Jalapenoman

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Quote: The San Francisco Onion

There's not a Kennedy in my lists, though I briefly entertained the idea of putting JFK on my favorite dead list. I like doing things, too, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.

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Ah yes, the JFK legacy...the escalation of the Vietnam war, the Bay of Pigs, Marilyn Monroe, getting into office due to the Illinois and Texas voter fraud, .....

If people would look past the charisma and see him for what he truly was, he'd be considered one of our worst presidents. I personally rank him as third worst in my lifetime (and this is only excluding Obama as he still may pull his head out of his ass and try to do something decent...though I doubt it and think he'll end up as number one).

Worst to best, ranking the Presidents in my lifetime:
1. Dubya
2. Carter
3. Kennedy
4. Reagan (the beginning of the bankrupting of America)
5. Nixon (may have been economically our best president)
6. Johnson
7. Bush Sr. (he did win in Kuwait, but then pulled out too soon).
8. Clinton
9. Ford (not really in long enough to screw much up)

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Kennedy was a little before my time, so I am biased.

I'm surprised to see Clinton so high on your list.

Carter was not really a 'bad' president in my estimation. He was a highly ineffective president, but his heart was in the right place. I like him a lot post-presidency.

Can't really see much bias - this seems like a pretty open-minded list.

Kudos.

huh?

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Quote: BuckwheatsButt

huh?

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what?

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Quote: The San Francisco Onion

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Quote: BuckwheatsButt

huh?

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what?

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I think the reason for your "huh" may be the order of J-Man's list. As nearly as I can tell, he started at 1 (the worst) and ended at 9 (the best).

At least I think so:

Worst to best, ranking the Presidents in my lifetime:
1. Dubya
2. Carter
3. Kennedy
4. Reagan (the beginning of the bankrupting of America)
5. Nixon (may have been economically our best president)
6. Johnson
7. Bush Sr. (he did win in Kuwait, but then pulled out too soon).
8. Clinton
9. Ford (not really in long enough to screw much up)

Maybe the J-Man can clear this up.

Didn't Ford get to be president coz Nixon resigned?

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Quote: Mark Lowton

Didn't Ford get to be president coz Nixon resigned?

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You tell us.

You're the boss around here.

That makes no sense

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Quote: Mark Lowton

That makes no sense

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Sounds like I'm starting to fit in.

Welcome to the asylum.

Dave Matthews

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/21/qa.dave.matthews/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

SFO,

I noted that I never answered your query from several weeks ago.

I think that Carter is easily our best ex-president in my lifetime. I also agree that his heart was generally in the right place.

As President, however, he allowed the wrong people in the party to push him aroundand make too many of the decisions for him. He also surrounded himself with either party appointees (who didn't know what they were doing) or good old friends (who also didn't know what they were doing).

I really, honestly think that if Carter had gone from the Georgia governorship to the Senate, and then run for President many years later, he would have been much better in the role. He would have been better versed in foreign policy and been more familiar with Washington politics.

I rank Clinton so high because he never really screwed up much with the big three (the economy, foriegn policy, and domestic policy). I think that history will judge him as an average president. I also feel that his biggest problem was his personal life.

Remember, I've said before that McCain was the first time in my life that I ever voted for a Republican for President and that I also worked on the Dukakis campaign. I have historically been a moderate independent that often voted Southern Democrat.

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Quote: Mark Lowton

Didn't Ford get to be president coz Nixon resigned?

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Yes. He was in office for a short time. He didn't really do anything good, but didn't mess anything up either (sort of a caretaker presidency).

The absolute worst thing that Ford did achieve was to create The Office of Management and Budget. In just eight years, it went from being an oversight group of three people to one of the more expensive groups in Washington (and it keeps growing and has never been reigned in or slowed down). It seemed like a good idea at the time, but....

Re Gerald Ford

Gil Scott Heron (the original rap poet) described him as :

"Oatmeal man, straddling uncomfortably yards and feet of barbed wire.

"Oatmeal man - circle up the wagons to defend yourself from nuclear attack."

Or something.

Tired and delerious

Skoob.

1.Paris Hilton.
2.Justin Timberlake.
3.Tony Blair.
4.Barack Obama.
5.Michael Barrymore.
6.Jack Tweed.
7.Lindsey Lohan.
8.Bruce Forsyth.
9.Ant + Dec ,i get 2 for the price of 1 !
10.Britney Spears.
11.Debbie Rowe.


Regards

PMC

You Americans are so obsessed with you're Presidents, THEY'RE JUST FUCKING CORRUPT TOSSERS LIKE THE REST OF THEM!!!

Except Castro, maybe he should have attacked the US, he might have won actually!

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Quote: Jalapenoman

SFO,

I noted that I never answered your query from several weeks ago.

I think that Carter is easily our best ex-president in my lifetime. I also agree that his heart was generally in the right place.

As President, however, he allowed the wrong people in the party to push him aroundand make too many of the decisions for him. He also surrounded himself with either party appointees (who didn't know what they were doing) or good old friends (who also didn't know what they were doing).

I really, honestly think that if Carter had gone from the Georgia governorship to the Senate, and then run for President many years later, he would have been much better in the role. He would have been better versed in foreign policy and been more familiar with Washington politics.

I rank Clinton so high because he never really screwed up much with the big three (the economy, foriegn policy, and domestic policy). I think that history will judge him as an average president. I also feel that his biggest problem was his personal life.

Remember, I've said before that McCain was the first time in my life that I ever voted for a Republican for President and that I also worked on the Dukakis campaign. I have historically been a moderate independent that often voted Southern Democrat.

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J-Man,

Thanks for the reply.

I couldn't agree with you more about Carter. He can't be blamed entirely for his ineffectiveness - America wanted an honest man, a Washington outsider, and that's what they got. Considering some of the groups for whom he's brokered peace deals post-Presidency, you've really got to admire the man.

You may be right about historical perspective affecting perceptions about Clinton, but I'll always remember him as the guy who, if anyone asked him a question about any policy issue, there was never a, "I'm gonna have to refer you to so-and-so," or any beating around the bush. He could discuss any issue in mind-numbing depth. Which makes it even funnier when you see him trying to dodge questions about sex under oath and under fire! Incredibly knowledgable guy, and also an incredibly horny guy.

He owes a serious debt to Al Gore for "inventing" the Internet. The way I understand it, Gore recognized a military computer application as a great basis for the Internet and helped bring it to fruition through legislation. That and increased economic efficiency due to the proliferation of computer use in general probably accounts for the 90's economic expansion nearly as much as Clinton's centrist policies.

McCain wasn't himself this time. He seemed to have been playing a role his campaign strategists believed he should play, and I don't think he was comfortable with it. Temper or not, he's a nice guy, not a vicious attacker. I liked him better a few years ago, plus the thought of him dying and leaving Sarah Palin in charge scared the shit out of me. You and several other spoof writers here would probably do as well as President.

Like Carter was, I think Obama is too inexperienced for what he's doing - he could have used a term or two as Hillary's VP or something before being put in charge, plus his opposition is even more fierce than usual.

I took a quiz for kicks just before the election that was supposed to tell you which candidate you most agreed with. As I expected, Hillary and Obama's answers to almost all policy questions were nearly identical, except hers tended to be more in depth. So, if Obama is basically like Hillary, and Hillary is basically like Bill, where were all the swastikas, etc., when Bill was in office?? Did I miss something? Or is this just plain racism?

I'm not a big fan of Dukakis, but that's very cool you got to work on his campaign. Did you help clean up Boston Harbor?

A thousand points of light,

SFO

There's no point, maybe one day they'll remove their heads from their butts, we hope!