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Posted: 2 Apr 07 11:10 - Edited By: Mark Lowton, 2 Apr 07 11:11
I watched a Louis Theroux (Louis interview with the BBC Louis on BBC Louis on Wikipedia) documentary last night entitled "The Most Hated Family in America".

The documentary was about the Westboro Baptist Church. If I had only been exposed to their website GodHatesAmerica.com I would have assumed this was a bad taste joke. But it's not a joke!

The church's beliefs centres around the idea that homosexuality is a sin. The head guy in the church Pastor Fred Phelps is a very odd man. From what I saw of him in the documentary he appears to be very confused and very stupid. Louis thinks the man is very wrapped up in his own anger and has taken this anger in building a warped and one-sided interpretation of the bible that fits his own ends.

Another problem I have with their beliefs is they not only condemn 'fags' but they also condemn 'fag enablers'. Yet, they drive cars built by fags, fill their cars with fag fuel, use computers built by fags, wear t-shirts making false idols of fag enablers. How can they be against these people, yet actively take part in supporting them?

From the programme, I got the impression that not everybody really believed in the ideas. Louis managed to instil some confusion and doubt into the things the people he interviewed said - But they still refused to admit what they are doing is not right.

I was quite shocked by the programme and couldn't quite believe it. The church makes very provocative protests, and they like to protest at the funerals of dead soldiers. They believe God has killed the soldiers because they are supporting America and they think America has pissed God off by allowing homosexuals to live.

The church includes children in the protests. Louis interviewed one of the protesters, a 7 year old child, and asked him to explain what he believed his placard meant. He didn't succeed at all. He didn't have the first idea what he was protesting about. I bet if you asked a 7 year old Christian about Jesus, and what he was about, the child would probably have a pretty good understanding.

I found it quite upsetting that Phelps' evil doctrine of hatred is being brainwashed into these children who are unable to form their own choices and beliefs. I found some comfort that while the older children (16+ yrs old) were spouting the same misguided message, their responses to Louis questioning was evasive and from their body language appeared to be ashamed by what they were saying and that they didn't really believe in it wholly.

I think they are living in fear that if they go against what the church says, they will be ostracised by their family. I can appreciate this feeling and it is a shame that just a few (4 I believe) have had the guts to walk away.

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Posted: 2 Apr 07 18:06
Don't get me started on the stupid churches like that in this country. They like to go through the Bible and pick out from the old testiment all the passages that seem to say being gay is wrong. However, when you point out that in their rummaging of the old testament they coviently left out such things as "An eye for an eye" they get angry and yell that you just don't understand.

Honestly though? I think they are so anti-gay because they are uncomfortable. They are worried that they themselves may be gay. And so, they have to be super anti-gay so people know that they are in fact NOT gay.

For me, the ulitmate idocacy is the fact that some of the state governments have listened to this drivel. Last year there were many states trying to outlaw same sex marriages last year. They just could seem to grasp the fact that if say two people of the same sex can't marry just because they are the same sex, it's the same thing as saying two people can't marry cause they are black.

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Posted: 8 Apr 07 05:53
Mark and Trevelyn,

Enjoyed your well thoughtout commentary.

It's very disturbing that the word of God often gets distorted to mean whatever someone wants it to mean to fit with their agenda.

The far right uses this bully pulpit strategy to promote and forward their agenda, particulary in elections because the American public is not sophisticated enough to go beyond the literalism of the doctrine.

For the most part, Americans are not very well educated and are easily threatened by anything, or anyone who is different. The far right knows this and uses it to their advantage to get their politicians elected. They are very strong in this country.

All the gay, women, race, dictator, foreigner, you name it bashing is cruel and it's also a distraction that keeps persons like Bush and Co. from having to deal with more important issues such as health care, schools, infastructure, the environment, diplomatic foreign policy.

People must wisen up and see through this bs. I really enjoy my job as a public school teacher in a small, rural school system because I help my students, many who have never left the county, think beyond the provincialism that they were brought up with.

One such way to do this is helping them to see how the commericial media manipulates them. I also enjoy teaching them satire and learning to interpret language symbolically.

One of the great downfalls of the American people, according to the late mythologist, Joseph Campbell is thier inability to interpret anything symbolically, including scripture.

If Christ were to appear today and walk down the streets of Laredo people would call him a hippi and ask him what band he played for.

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Posted: 8 Apr 07 14:20
Sorry, David, but I used to live in Laredo (1991 - 1994). It was three of the worst years of my life.

The town is considered by many to be the armpit of Texas. My ex was a teacher and had several 17 year olds in her 7th grade math classes. The value of education there is zero. One of her students actually brought an AK-47 to school to sell to another (in junior high!). Both were from drug families and nothing was done to either student. The Mexican Mafia owned and ran the town and there were mafia hits in the mall or on the streets frequently.

You quickly learned what parts of town to avoid in daylight and in darkness and kept away from them (most of the city).

If Jesus were to walk down the streets of Laredo, he would be mugged as he is not Hispanic. He would then be beaten for the same reason. He would then be robbed of everything he carried and wore, just because they could.

I went into Sears one time and could find no one that spoke English in any of the departments that I needed. FInally, someone from a totally different part of the store who could speak English was brought over to translate for me.

Now, I spoke Spanish but would not do so (because of security reasons at work). I was a stupid Gringo and would stand at work and listen to all of my employees explain to each other in Spanish how they could rip me off, never knowing that I understood every word that they said. No one ever made the connection in three years that the ones who were teaching others to steal were always fired within three days for some other reason.

The largest mall in the town was owned by the Catholic Church. In fact, there was a Catholic Church inside of the mall (close to Sears and on the opposite end of JC Penny and Dillards). There was a kind of extortion as the priests and nuns would walk through all of the stores, freely taking whatever they wanted and knowing that if you said anything, your lease payment or common area maintenace bills would have problems.

There is a reason that the rest of Texas refers to the people of Laredo as Larediots.

Being raised by an Italian mother on the Mexican border made me realize that entrees are not edible without jalapenos, onions, green chilis, or garlic. Hence, I am the J-man.
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Posted: 8 Apr 07 14:37
Actually, J-man, I was using Laredo symbolically as any rednecked town, USA, but it's interesting to know more about you and the actual Laredo.

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Posted: 8 Apr 07 15:26 - Edited By: Mark Lowton, 9 Apr 07 09:12

Quote: Jalapenoman

Now, I spoke Spanish but would not do so (because of security reasons at work).


CIA or FBI?

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Posted: 9 Apr 07 01:52
My business was turning about $700k profit a year. When I would hear employees teaching each other how to rip the place of, it concerned me (I also got a percentage of the profits as my bonus and did not want to harm this).

As I could use understanding spanish to my advantage, no one in town (but my wife) ever knew that I could speak the language.

Since I could also have been terminated from my job if high theft occured or profits dropped, I needed that edge to catch the theifs.

So, it was not FBI or CIA, it way CYA!

(cover your ass)

Being raised by an Italian mother on the Mexican border made me realize that entrees are not edible without jalapenos, onions, green chilis, or garlic. Hence, I am the J-man.
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Posted: 9 Apr 07 09:40 - Edited By: Fergus McCarthy, 9 Apr 07 09:42
(Sigh)

The streets of Laredo was one of my favourite songs when I was a boy.

You've ruined it now Don Jalapeno.

What about El Paso?

Any good news there?

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Posted: 9 Apr 07 11:38

What about El Paso?

Any good news there?


Moose&Squirell here:

Out in the West Texas town of El Paso
I fell in love with a Mexican girl.
Night-time would find me in Rosa's cantina;
Music would play and Felina would whirl.

Blacker than night were the eyes of Felina,
Wicked and evil while casting a spell.
My love was deep for this Mexican maiden;
I was in love but in vain, I could tell.

One night a wild young cowboy came in,
Wild as the West Texas wind.
Dashing and daring,
A drink he was sharing
With wicked Felina,
The girl that I loved.

So in anger I

Challenged his right for the love of this maiden.
Down went his hand for the gun that he wore.
My challenge was answered in less than a heart-beat;
The handsome young stranger lay dead on the floor.

Just for a moment I stood there in silence,
Shocked by the FOUL EVIL deed I had done.
Many thoughts raced through my mind as I stood there;
I had but one chance and that was to run.

Out through the back door of Rosa's I ran,
Out where the horses were tied.
I caught a good one.
It looked like it could run.
Up on its back
And away I did ride,

Just as fast as I

Could from the West Texas town of El Paso
Out to the bad-lands of New Mexico.

Back in El Paso my life would be worthless.
Everything's gone in life; nothing is left.
It's been so long since I've seen the young maiden
My love is stronger than my fear of death.

I saddled up and away I did go,
Riding alone in the dark.
Maybe tomorrow
A bullet may find me.
Tonight nothing's worse than this
Pain in my heart.

And at last here I

Am on the hill overlooking El Paso;
I can see Rosa's cantina below.
My love is strong and it pushes me onward.
Down off the hill to Felina I go.

Off to my right I see five mounted cowboys;
Off to my left ride a dozen or more.
Shouting and shooting I can't let them catch me.
I have to make it to Rosa's back door.

Something is dreadfully wrong for I feel
A deep burning pain in my side.
Though I am trying
To stay in the saddle,
I'm getting weary,
Unable to ride.

But my love for

Felina is strong and I rise where I've fallen,
Though I am weary I can't stop to rest.
I see the white puff of smoke from the rifle.
I feel the bullet go deep in my chest.

From out of nowhere Felina has found me,
Kissing my cheek as she kneels by my side.
Cradled by two loving arms that I'll die for,
One little kiss and Felina,.....




...good-bye.M&S



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Posted: 9 Apr 07 13:51
Aaah the memories of 45 33rpm vinyl records come flooding back, a much simpler time.

We did'nt have

Mobile phones (Cell phones)
Dvd's
XBox or Playstation
Satellite TV with 57 million stations
The internet
Powerful Home PCs

I know I was bored.

Thankyou both M+S



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Posted: 9 Apr 07 14:16
I live 45 minutes from El Paso in Las Cruces, New Mexico. I actually work halfway between here and there in a town called Anthony.

The main reason that I live here, and not there, is because my wife cannot get a job in El Paso. She is a school teacher and none of the districts there will hire her because she does not speak spanish.

That is a sore subject with me and I will not subject you to my tirade.

By the way, I have been by Rosa's cantina. It is a real bar and has been there for many, many years. I've never been inside, but I have driven past and seen it from the outside. (wrong side of town for a white boy to go into a bar)

Being raised by an Italian mother on the Mexican border made me realize that entrees are not edible without jalapenos, onions, green chilis, or garlic. Hence, I am the J-man.
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Posted: 9 Apr 07 14:24
Hey, have you guys ever heard the song, London Homesick Blues?

LONDON HOMESICK BLUES
(Gary P. Nunn)

Jerry Jeff Walker
Also recorded by :
David Allan Coe; Gary P. Nunn.

Well, when you're down on your luck,
and you ain't got a buck,
in London you're a goner.
Even London Bridge has fallen down,
and moved to Arizona,
now I know why.
And I'll substantiate the rumor
that the English sense of humor
is drier than the Texas sand.
You can put up your dukes,
and you can bet your boots,
that I'm leavin' just as fast as I can.

Chorus;
I wanna go home with the armadillo.
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene.
The friendliest people and the prettiest women
you've ever seen.

Well it's cold over here, and I swear,
I wish they'd turn the heat on.
And where in the world is that English girl,
I promised I would meet on the third floor.
And of the whole damn lot, the only friend I got,
is a smoke and a cheap guitar.
My mind keeps roamin', my heart keeps longin'
to be home in a Texas bar.

Chorus

Well, I decided that, I'd get my cowboy hat
and go down to Marble Arch Station.
'Cause when a Texan fancies, he'll take his chances,
and chances will be takin, now that's for sure.
And them Limey eyes, they were eyein' a prize,
that some people call manly footwear.
And they said you're from down South,
and when you open your mouth,
you always seem to put your foot there.

Chorus
Chorus


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Posted: 9 Apr 07 14:51

Quote: Fergus McCarthy

(Sigh)

The streets of Laredo was one of my favourite songs when I was a boy.

You've ruined it now Don Jalapeno.

What about El Paso?

Any good news there?
This may not help hour feelings either - but, back in December I did a satire piece called "Beat the Drums Slowly" based on "Streets of Laredo" - which also happens to be a favorite of mine. For a satire piece this has gotten fairly high views:

(http://www.thespoof.com/editorials/index.cfm?eID=91


In turn, "The Streets of Laredo" is based on a very old Irish funeral lament. I think the dirge melody is what makes the song so appealing. I love those New Orleans 'slow-walking' dirges too.

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Posted: 9 Apr 07 14:57
While we're on the tune of Streets of Laredo, sing the following lyrics to the same tune:


Pills of White Mercury

As I was a-walking by the banks o' the Ugie
Come, my dear friends, and this story I'll relate
I spied a dear comrade all dressed in white flannel
Dressed in white flannel and cruel was his fate

Oh the mercury was beating, the limestone was reeking
His tongue all in flames hung over his chin
A hole in his bosom, his teeth were a-closing
Bad luck to the girlie that gied him the glim

Chorus (after each verse):
And had she but told me, oh when she dishonored me
Had she but told me of it in time
I might have been cured by those pills of white mercury
Now I'm a young man cut down in my prime

My parents, they warned me and oft times they chided
With those young flash girls do not sport and play
I never listened, no, I never heeded
I just carried on in my own wicked way

It's down on the corner two flash girls were talking
One to the other did whisper and say
"There goes that young man who once was so jolly
Now for his sins his poor body must pay"

Oh doctor, dear doctor, before your departure
Take all these bottles of mercury away
Send for the minister to say a prayer over me
So they can lay my poor body in the clay

Now get you six fellows to carry my coffin
Six pretty fair maids to bear up my pall
Give each of them there a bunch of red roses
When they pass by me, they'll not know the smell


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Posted: 9 Apr 07 15:45
Excellent rendition! Voice of experience?

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Posted: 9 Apr 07 18:34
Yes, I must say so, but nothing permanent that I couldn't get rid of without a little concentrated shampoo (I know, too much information).

Would be nice to settle, but still (after 43 years) haven't found her.

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Posted: 21 Apr 07 17:58
Send them this verse: John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

Their whole doctrine seems to go against this principal. I looked at their web page and thought it was a spoof page.

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Posted: 21 Apr 07 18:45

verse: John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."


Amen Brother!

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