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Posted: 13 Mar 12 10:20

New Jersey capital city running out of toilet paper

The capital of the US state of New Jersey faces running out of toilet paper following a dispute over costs.

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One council member told Bloomberg News that "we're not going to send out any blank cheques".


Seems like a perfect solution to me though.

(That 'that' irks me. Am I alone in this?)

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 11:05
Not alone, Mark... shouldn't need it before quotes, only before reported speech. In my book, anyway.

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 11:29
I think that line might have been plagiarised from elsewhere, probably a US source. The 'that' sounds like American reporting and the position of the punctuation outside the quote seems to be a US trait. The author's kept the punctuation inside the quotation marks elsewhere in the story, which points the finger somewhat.

Sloppy.

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 13:08
Careful... you'll be branded a pedant!

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 13:40
Cyber bullies and pedants ^^^^^^^

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 14:44

Quote: Mark

I think that line might have been plagiarised from elsewhere, probably a US source. The 'that' sounds like American reporting and the position of the punctuation outside the quote seems to be a US trait. The author's kept the punctuation inside the quotation marks elsewhere in the story, which points the finger somewhat.

Sloppy.



Not in any US grammar book I have read. Sloppy copy editing.

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 14:44
Yeah, you want some Clive?

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 14:53 - Edited By: Mark, 13 Mar 12 14:54

Quote: Ellie James

Not in any US grammar book I have read. Sloppy copy editing.

Ellie


Heh, I think you're right Ellie. Just checked it out with Wikipedia, and only "British-style" would have punctuation outside of quotation marks. However, when applied to speech, it appears the punctuation, when it forms part of the speech, should appear within the quotation marks.

I'm confused and embarrassed, but intrigued.

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 15:17
I saw it coming a long time ago.

U.S. Toilet Roll shortage sparks "Panic buying"


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Posted: 13 Mar 12 15:24
That's amazin Ferg

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 15:59

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Yeah, you want some Clive?


You seem to be incapable of conducting any kind of reasoned debate without littering your outpourings with ill disguised not to mention inappropriate smutty innuendo mate.

Women read this you know?

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The venue and choice of weaponry will of course be yours, albeit futile as I'll not rest until I've sliced your gizzard from your accursed body and I'm standing full square over your lifeless corpse, watching your blood running copious and free in the gutter where it belongs.

Satisfaction sirrah will be mine!..................and not in the way you're thinking either matey!

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 16:37 - Edited By: Simon Saunders, 13 Mar 12 16:46
Do the BBC tag their stories?

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 16:40 - Edited By: Simon Saunders, 13 Mar 12 16:47
I stand firmly behind you on this one Clive. I am rigid in my support. In fact I am prepared to bend over backwards to help.
It will undoubtedly be very hard to convince others to support you but I believe that with a little spunk it can be done.

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 16:41

Quote: Fergus McCarthy

I saw it coming a long time ago.

U.S. Toilet Roll shortage sparks "Panic buying"


Tomorrow I'll give you all the Cheltenham long shots.



What an insightful man you are! Who'd have thought the greatest soothsayer in modern times would be an Irish guy named Fergus!

5 from me because I thought it was hilarious, and because I had never seen it before as it was before my time here.

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 16:54
It was me, they were short of a lyrical toilet cleaner.






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Posted: 13 Mar 12 17:30 - Edited By: Lynton, 13 Mar 12 17:30
This would never happen in Japan. I am told that Origami experts are able, with some deft folding, to get by on a single roll per year. Some even fold their own toilets from old newspaper.

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Posted: 13 Mar 12 20:31
'Questions of order between inverted commas and stops are much debated and a writer's personal preference often conflicts with the style rules of editors and publishers. There are two schools of thought, which might be called the conventional and the logical. The conventional prefers to put stops within the inverted commas, if it can be done without ambiguity, on the ground that this has a more pleasing appearance. The logical punctuates according to sense, and puts them outside except when they actually form part of the quotation.'

Fowler's Modern English Usage

Personally, I would go for the 'logical' every time, but what do I know?





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Posted: 14 Mar 12 00:39
However, this is a newspaper. Or tabloid. Whatever The Daily Mail is. Personal writer's style in an article bends to the style of the paper, doesn't it?

My news style is a lot different than my short story style as it should be.

It's why God invented AP style...so there would be consistency.

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Posted: 14 Mar 12 01:29

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What an insightful man you are! Who'd have thought the greatest soothsayer in modern times would be an Irish guy named Fergus!

5 from me because I thought it was hilarious, and because I had never seen it before as it was before my time here.

Ellie



Thanks Ellie.

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